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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s a super interesting observation, cj.  the only difference i can see here is that the faith of my fathers claims a monopoly on the &quot;truth&quot; while 12 step recovery makes no such claim.  in fact they specifically say that they don&#039;t and the mormons specifically say they do.  

but you were talking about &#039;feelings&#039;.  and in that, i think you hit the nail exactly on the head.  thanks for your comment.

I&#039;ll be home tomorrow, millison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s a super interesting observation, cj.  the only difference i can see here is that the faith of my fathers claims a monopoly on the &#8220;truth&#8221; while 12 step recovery makes no such claim.  in fact they specifically say that they don&#8217;t and the mormons specifically say they do.  </p>
<p>but you were talking about &#8216;feelings&#8217;.  and in that, i think you hit the nail exactly on the head.  thanks for your comment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be home tomorrow, millison.</p>
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		<title>By: the other cj</title>
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		<dc:creator>the other cj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding &quot;I am considered to be an inferior,&quot; has anyone actually said that, or is that just what you feel, and/or think they believe?

My experience with my own very religious family (same Jesus, different brand of worship) is that (for the most part) they just want me to be happy, which I really have never been close to until fairly recently, and they see homosexuality as the cause of the misery.  They spend much more time focused on their own sin than on mine, I think.  They find joy in their Christ, and want me to feel the joy they feel.  Maybe when your family is talking to you about coming back into the church, they have the same feelings you have when you are talking to someone in active addiction about coming into the program?

I&#039;m just talking about feelings, not the right or wrong of the thoughts and motivations behind the feelings.  You have this great feeling, this thing you want to share with someone who doesn&#039;t want it or isn&#039;t ready for it.  If they love you and want you to be happy, and their happiness comes from participating in this belief system, they are going to ask you to be a part of it.  That&#039;s love.  (If you respectfully decline and they start pushing, that&#039;s another story, but that doesn&#039;t sound like what&#039;s happening.)

Maybe they feel like that is the ultimate sign of approval--asking you in back in.

Look for the good, leave the rest.

xo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding &#8220;I am considered to be an inferior,&#8221; has anyone actually said that, or is that just what you feel, and/or think they believe?</p>
<p>My experience with my own very religious family (same Jesus, different brand of worship) is that (for the most part) they just want me to be happy, which I really have never been close to until fairly recently, and they see homosexuality as the cause of the misery.  They spend much more time focused on their own sin than on mine, I think.  They find joy in their Christ, and want me to feel the joy they feel.  Maybe when your family is talking to you about coming back into the church, they have the same feelings you have when you are talking to someone in active addiction about coming into the program?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just talking about feelings, not the right or wrong of the thoughts and motivations behind the feelings.  You have this great feeling, this thing you want to share with someone who doesn&#8217;t want it or isn&#8217;t ready for it.  If they love you and want you to be happy, and their happiness comes from participating in this belief system, they are going to ask you to be a part of it.  That&#8217;s love.  (If you respectfully decline and they start pushing, that&#8217;s another story, but that doesn&#8217;t sound like what&#8217;s happening.)</p>
<p>Maybe they feel like that is the ultimate sign of approval&#8211;asking you in back in.</p>
<p>Look for the good, leave the rest.</p>
<p>xo</p>
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		<title>By: millison</title>
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		<dc:creator>millison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to struggle in a parallel way when we were active in the Baptist churches.  I felt a part of and yet apart from them, always knowing that I would never be fully accepted because of certain beliefs that I held onto (still do) that they frowned upon.

I often felt that I was on the outside looking in.  That&#039;s why Step Two was so critical for me.  There had to be something out there that could restore me to sanity.  I believed in God, but I had to get a Bigger God who could heal my wrists as well as my heart and mind, who could love me despite my own self-loathing, who could handle my problems, my guilt, my despair, my desperation.  One who could handle this war, our national as well as global problems, my sons, my loneliness, my anger.  My sponsor used to remind me frequently, &quot;then get a bigger god, Millison&quot;.  

So I did.  I do.  I work on Step Two every day because I&#039;m a friggin&#039; alcoholic.  I&#039;m crazy.  I&#039;m bent on self destruction.  And I have way too many voices in my head, all with stupid or irrational suggestions (&quot;I know!  Let&#039;s go shopping! or, &quot;No one really cares&quot; or the worst, &quot;You know you&#039;ve never been good enough, you never will, just face it.&quot;)  

Forgive the rambling, and come home soon (so we can go shopping--oops).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to struggle in a parallel way when we were active in the Baptist churches.  I felt a part of and yet apart from them, always knowing that I would never be fully accepted because of certain beliefs that I held onto (still do) that they frowned upon.</p>
<p>I often felt that I was on the outside looking in.  That&#8217;s why Step Two was so critical for me.  There had to be something out there that could restore me to sanity.  I believed in God, but I had to get a Bigger God who could heal my wrists as well as my heart and mind, who could love me despite my own self-loathing, who could handle my problems, my guilt, my despair, my desperation.  One who could handle this war, our national as well as global problems, my sons, my loneliness, my anger.  My sponsor used to remind me frequently, &#8220;then get a bigger god, Millison&#8221;.  </p>
<p>So I did.  I do.  I work on Step Two every day because I&#8217;m a friggin&#8217; alcoholic.  I&#8217;m crazy.  I&#8217;m bent on self destruction.  And I have way too many voices in my head, all with stupid or irrational suggestions (&#8220;I know!  Let&#8217;s go shopping! or, &#8220;No one really cares&#8221; or the worst, &#8220;You know you&#8217;ve never been good enough, you never will, just face it.&#8221;)  </p>
<p>Forgive the rambling, and come home soon (so we can go shopping&#8211;oops).</p>
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		<title>By: Irish Friend of Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irish Friend of Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i like the great spirit prayer as I am unable to see &#039;sin&#039; or &#039;wrongness&#039; in it. just compassion. but i was not reared on &#039;sin&#039; so who knows.

http://www.angelfire.com/md/elanmichaels/greatspiritprayer.html

glad you are able to take what you like and leave the rest, and look for what is helpful to you in your &#039;tribe&#039;. impressive! 
its funny isnt it. we cannot fully separate from our family. we are very enmeshed with them one way and another. thats why to &#039;fight&#039; the depth of that connection is futile and always leaves one feeling displaced and off centre.

hope the rest of the trip helps you as much as the part so far :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i like the great spirit prayer as I am unable to see &#8216;sin&#8217; or &#8216;wrongness&#8217; in it. just compassion. but i was not reared on &#8216;sin&#8217; so who knows.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.angelfire.com/md/elanmichaels/greatspiritprayer.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.angelfire.com/md/elanmichaels/greatspiritprayer.html</a></p>
<p>glad you are able to take what you like and leave the rest, and look for what is helpful to you in your &#8216;tribe&#8217;. impressive!<br />
its funny isnt it. we cannot fully separate from our family. we are very enmeshed with them one way and another. thats why to &#8216;fight&#8217; the depth of that connection is futile and always leaves one feeling displaced and off centre.</p>
<p>hope the rest of the trip helps you as much as the part so far <img src='http://thelastchancetexaco.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Java</title>
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		<dc:creator>Java</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tricky stuff, this faith. I&#039;m in a similar quandary. I believe there is a spiritual something, maybe energy, maybe spirit, I&#039;m not sure. I don&#039;t have a connection to it, though, and I kinda want to, I think. 

It&#039;s great that you are reconnecting with your family, though it would be really nice if they accepted you as an equal. 

You write very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tricky stuff, this faith. I&#8217;m in a similar quandary. I believe there is a spiritual something, maybe energy, maybe spirit, I&#8217;m not sure. I don&#8217;t have a connection to it, though, and I kinda want to, I think. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s great that you are reconnecting with your family, though it would be really nice if they accepted you as an equal. </p>
<p>You write very well.</p>
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		<title>By: HeidiRenee</title>
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		<dc:creator>HeidiRenee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so glad to hear that you are enjoying yourself and making your way back through your family of origin.  And I think that your &quot;greater good/higher power&quot; is okay with you being right where you are right now.  Just don&#039;t give up seeking. 

&quot;That Chris&quot; made me snort out loud!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad to hear that you are enjoying yourself and making your way back through your family of origin.  And I think that your &#8220;greater good/higher power&#8221; is okay with you being right where you are right now.  Just don&#8217;t give up seeking. </p>
<p>&#8220;That Chris&#8221; made me snort out loud!</p>
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